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Poster: pjcenedella Date: Aug 26, 2010 3:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Phish doing the Dead..uh oh.

while i myself am a phish fan, i know many heads who cant stand them. came across this show and the setlist caught my eye.

http://www.oceansofosyrus.com/music/andromeda.php?q=f&;f=%2FPhish%2F1985%2F1985-05-03++University+of+Vermont%2C+Burlington%2C+VT

d1t03 is Scarlet Begoninas >
d1t04- Eyes
and the close the second set with
d2t08- The Other One

i currently got done with the scarlet solo and i'm impressed...

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Poster: vapors Date: Aug 26, 2010 6:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish doing the Dead..uh oh.

Hey thanks for diverting me to that site as I spent a bit of time there. The sound quality of 5/3 Scarlet was pretty poor, but other stuff I checked out was nice. These Dead songs were played in the very early years and surely of little interest to non phans. They played Scarlet three times – back in year one, 12/2/83 in the UV cafeteria, next at Nectar’s 12/1/84 (followed by Fire) and then twice once more 5/3 & 5/19/85. Eyes was played 11/3/83 (along with Bertha), 12/1/84, and at the 5/3/85 show.

The Other One was only played that once. Cold Rain and Viola Lee Blues on 9/17/99. And on 4/1/86 they played Help/Slip/(AC/DC Bag).

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 26, 2010 7:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish doing the Dead..uh oh.

I've never been able to get into Phish. Not that I haven't tried; it just never seems very engaging to me. But a few months ago I was in a store and heard some great music; I asked the clerk what was playing, and she said ... Phish! It was kind of jazzy-bluegrassy-jammy. So I went back and tried to listen to Phish again, but didn't hear the same sound. Maybe she was wrong, or maybe there's a particular album or something that was on? Any tips from Phish heads?

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Poster: WillCo Date: Aug 27, 2010 1:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish doing the Dead..uh oh.

I got into Phish by trying a compilation CD called Stash; loads of great tunes and grooves (though I agree with other posters about lyrics).

Since then my favourite is their official release (vol 04) from a Japan show 2000-06-14 - especially disk 2's dreamy jams.

Oh, and have you tried Umphrey's McGee? Try this one, where Joshua Redman guests: http://www.archive.org/details/UM2004-02-18

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Poster: utopian Date: Aug 26, 2010 8:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: doing the Dead..my favorite cover is- Sneaking Sally through the Alley

Phish have gone through many many marked evolutions, or stages of progression as a band. A beautiful coalescing occurred in fall of 97 into most of 98 where as many consider a ripe time.

Sitting down last night for dinner with a real fan who has seen many complete tours, he alluded they are playing better than ever in 2009 and presently especially 2010.

I listened to some of last years gorge and redrocks shows and would probably agree they are playing better than ever.

Their lyrics have never 'spoke' to me, but i do like the jams in between the words.

Peace



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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 26, 2010 8:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: doing the Dead..my favorite cover is- Sneaking Sally through the Alley

In what little listening I've done, I've thought the lyrics were pretty lame. Maybe the jams are indeed better; I liked that I heard in the shop, anyway, enough to ask who it was. I'd like to know more about the different "jam bands." Maybe I'd actually like some. I'm pretty out of touch, LOL.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Aug 26, 2010 8:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: doing the Dead..my favorite cover is- Scent of a Mule

I can't pretend to be at all expert on Phish, even though I listened to 2 CDs worth. I find their technical excellence and precision fascinating, but the lyrics typically seem like nonsense. A beautiful house with no furniture. No soul.

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Poster: advokat Date: Aug 26, 2010 8:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: doing the Dead..my favorite cover is- Sneaking Sally through the Alley

Phish = Up with People on Patchouli

That nauseous feeling you get when coming onto mushrooms with nothing to break through the sluggish fatigue...



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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 26, 2010 8:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: doing the Dead..my favorite cover is- Sneaking Sally through the Alley

Phish = Up with People on Patchouli

Just when I'm trying to be open-minded, someone has to crack me up ...


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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Aug 26, 2010 11:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: doing the Dead..my favorite cover is - Loving Cup

if you're looking for profound phish lyrics, you won't find them anywhere.

the early phish songs were either part of trey's Gamehendge cycle (his senior musical thesis about the fantasy world of Gamehendge), were simply vehicles for jamming, or inside jokes of the band (hence the silly lyrics). the early phish philosophy was basically "lyrics aren't important."

later they made attempts at writing something a little more profound, and while the newer phish albums have stuff more closely resembling songs (some pretty catchy i might add) their songwriting skills are still fairly amateurish.

i'm not sure what you heard in that music shop Althea, but one album i could suggest is probably their most eclectic work, "A Picture Of Nectar." be warned there are plenty of silly lyrics, however.

This post was modified by clementinescaboose on 2010-08-27 06:49:26

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 27, 2010 2:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: doing the Dead..my favorite cover is - Loving Cup

Well, it was actually a camping store, and the staff just play stuff from their ipods. So far all I know it could have been something not on an album. Or the person who said it was Phish could be wrong. But I'm interested in learning more about stuff that has a Dead-like sound (or approach) ... I'm pretty embarrasingly out of it, rock music-wise. (If rock is the right word. It doesn't quite sound right.) Tend to listen to bluegrass, classical, older jazz and older rock, but would be interested to know more about what the Dead inspired. That is, if it's any good :-)

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Poster: Edsel Date: Aug 27, 2010 8:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: doing the Dead..my favorite cover is - Loving Cup

camping store eh ?
could the clerk have said "Fish On"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31e5UGAnOjc&;feature=related

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Aug 27, 2010 2:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: doing the Dead..my favorite cover is - Loving Cup

you should definitely check out Widespread Panic then. they have a lot of dead influence and they are great musicians. and they can write a song or two, lol.

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Poster: ice9freak Date: Aug 27, 2010 7:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish doing the Dead..uh oh.

Althea, I definitely recommend Rift as a good studio album to start with. It's a little darker and less silly (although not entirely unsilly!) than other studio efforts. I'll even hazard a guess that the title track might be the mystery song that caught your ear.

I got deeply into Phish around '97. I gave the wound of Jerry's passing a year to heal (I was pretty young at the time, had only seen 3 GD shows) and then made Phish "my band." I saw about a dozen shows in two years and was just mad for it. I traded tons of tapes, made tons of friends, and had a hell of a time. Then the scene went south: hard, dangerous drugs became increasingly present in the lot, people started getting naked and running across the stage mid-song, folks took to throwing glowsticks at Trey's face and hands while in mid-solo. Around that time I got deeply into jazz and started collecting records.

I love both bands dearly, and while I agree that on the whole Phish's lyrics tend to get sillier than the Dead's, they do have some meaningful tunes. A quick list: Dirt, Fast Enough for You, The Horse, Walls of the Cave, Roggae... I could go on. I don't feel this way personally, but I could easily see someone finding the lyrics to Dark Star or China Cat silly at first listen. Just sayin'. Phish, while not for everyone, is a truly incredible quartet of musicians who pull rabbits out of hats left and right during their live shows.

For anybody here who hasn't heard it, I recommend tracking down Phish's 8/9/98 show in Virginia Beach for the encore alone. Make sure you find an AUD version, too. Goosebumps, guaranteed.

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Poster: Longnstrange Date: Aug 26, 2010 4:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish doing the Dead..uh oh.

Thank you so much for the post. I haven't been able to say "That's the worst sounding crap I've ever heard" for a while. Yippie! I get to say it now!. That is the worst version of Scarlet Bs I've ever heard. Offensive from start to... well, when I stopped it( couldn't make it to the finish). Horrible group. Shows that a bunch of students with chops are only that. There is no soul or meaning to this project other than some cheesey American kids wanting to make a bunch of money. Phish Sucks! But, that is only my opinion. To some, I'm sure this is wonderful.

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Poster: He Live's Date: Aug 27, 2010 8:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish doing the Dead..uh oh.

the recording you are citing is literally the equivalent of 1964 grateful dead -- you know, when they sucked and played bars on the peninsula.

rendering the rest of your opinion useless. right click it ----->

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beppaWwXFaE

here is a video from the GREEK. there are other great vids on there... but i love the camera work on the greek vids -- 46 days>tube is also really good... VERY COOL intimate videos. they played an amazing three night stand there this summer.

http://phish.com/#/media/videos/8510-maze

This post was modified by He Live's on 2010-08-28 03:12:38

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 27, 2010 12:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish doing the Dead..uh oh.

answer me this - you hate Phish but can you name one post Jerry ensemble that was better than the three day April run Phil did with Trey and Page?

I can't

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 27, 2010 12:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish doing the Dead..uh oh.

As a feat fan, I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed the Phil show I saw with Paul Barerre, Billy Payne, and Robben Ford. Featish Dead, Deadish Feat, and some nice Coltrane. The Dylan opener was pretty good as well. Not saying better, because I don't really follow the post-Jerry music of any of these guys. Just a good one I caught.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 27, 2010 12:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish doing the Dead..uh oh.

yeah that was a good one too. Actually those few 99 era Phil projects were all the best post Jerry music imo - Phish, Dave Nelson Band, Feat, and Jorma and Pete Sears.

Way more daring and interesting than anything the band was doing for years

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Poster: pjcenedella Date: Aug 26, 2010 4:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish doing the Dead..uh oh.

correction.
d2t04 is the other one

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Poster: jds121291 Date: Aug 27, 2010 7:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish doing the Dead..uh oh.

chalkdust torture is appealing